UPDATE: Louisa Marie Mann and Elizabeth Ann Cloud

I found the obituaries for Louisa Marie Mann and Elizabeth Ann Cloud.  Please click on their names to read their full blogs.

First Louisa:

We can see from this obituary that all four of Louisa's children were still living when she passed away.  It was originally thought that her daughter, Maria, had passed away before her.  I was hoping to confirm the maiden name of Louisa's mother, Lucinda.  It is believed to be McKinney but I don't have paper proof....yet.

Second Elizabeth:

We can see from this obituary that Elizabeth leaves behind three children to mourn her loss.  In my original blog I speculated that she had four children - obviously wrong.  

Both obituaries were posted the same day in The Southern Advocate.  It was a sad month for James Madison Cloud for this was his wife and his sister that passed away so close together.  It is unknown what they died from.

I be updating both blogs with added information.

Elizabeth Ann Cloud

Elizabeth Ann Cloud is the sister of two of my 3rd Great Grandfathers, Durgan and James Madison Cloud.

Elizabeth Ann Cloud was the youngest child born to William Cloud and Sarah (unknown).  There are two records that are found that list her birth state - and they are in conflict with each other.  We do know that her older siblings were all born in Fairfield County, South Carolina.  Elizabeth, as the youngest, was born 7 years after her next older sibling, James Madison Cloud.  We know that the family had moved to Alabama around that time.  The records in question are the 1850 Federal Census and the marriage record for Elizabeth.  The Census lists her birth state as South Carolina - the marriage record lists her birth state as Alabama.

We can assume that Elizabeth is living with her father William Cloud during the 1830 and 1840 Census living in Madison County, Alabama because there is a female child of her age in both censuses.  Elizabeth was married in 1842 to Simon N Turner on 9 November.

By the 1850 Federal Census we find Elizabeth and Simon living with one child, Cherry.  This is the last record that can be found for Elizabeth.  It is believed that Elizabeth dies in 1853 in Madison County, Alabama.  It is unknown when Simon dies.  There is a marriage record in September of 1853 in Madison County for a Simon Turner marrying a Martha Ashburn - this could be Elizabeth's widow re-marrying to help raise the children.

UPDATE:  Below is the obituary for Elizabeth Ann Cloud:

We do know a little bit more information.  We know that it was Elizabeth's daughter, Cherry, the one grandchild of William Cloud that sued to end the probate of his Will, 40 years after his death.  It is from these probate records that a little more information is found.  Part of the court records listed potential heirs of William Cloud - as he left the land in Alabama, or the proceeds from the sale of the land - to all of his grandchildren.  The land was supposed to be sold 3 years after his death, but more than 40 years later is when his wishes were finally carried out - thanks to Cherry.  The other Turner children listed in the records were Mary R Turner, Sarah A Turner and a William S Turner.

In the records of a Cloud researcher, Thomas Jackson King, he does list Mary and Sarah as children of Elizabeth but not a William.  So who was William Turner and was he a child of Elizabeth and Simon?  Looking for records of the Turner children proved to be hard also.  Looking in the 1860 Census I can find a Mary Turner age 7 living with John and Cherry Hodges.  This could be the daughter of Elizabeth and Turner - one thing that lead that direction is Cherry Hodges.  It is believed that the parents of Simon were a John Turner and a Cherry.  It's possible that Mary was living with her grandmother and her new husband.  The marriage records for Madison County show a Mrs. Cherry Turner marrying a John Hodges in 1859 - so that would fit.

I can't find any census records for Sarah A Turner.  There is a marriage record for a Sarah A Turner to a William Lemley in 1878 in Madison County, Alabama.  So this could be the daughter of Elizabeth and Simon.  Where was she in 1860 though?  If Mary is living with the grandmother - why wasn't Sarah?

There are several William Turner's marrying in Madison County, Alabama.  I can't tie any of them directly to Elizabeth and Simon.  My hope is someone will find this blog and fill in my holes in this Turner family.

So - the children of Elizabeth Ann Clound and Simon Turner were:

UPDATE:  I no longer believe that William Turner is a child of Elizabeth ad Simon as her obituary only lists three children.  It is unknown why when the Will of William Cloud was resolved there was a William Turner listed.

1. Cherry Ann Turner - born about 1853 in Madison County, Alabama. Death unknown. Marries Joseph Vann.
2. Mary R Turner
3. Sarah A Turner.  Possibley marries William Lemley.
4.William S Turner - not really sure if this is a child of Elizabeth but why else would he be listed as an heir of William Cloud?

Adeline Amelia Cloud

Adeline Amelia Cloud is the sister of two of my 3rd Great Grandfather's, Durgan Cloud and James Madison Cloud.

Adeline is the daughter of William Cloud and Sarah (unknown).  Adeline was born in Fairfield County, South Carolina around 1812.

The first record for Adeline is her marriage to Tyrus Bell on 5 March 1829 in Madison County, Alabama.  Next we find a Federal Census record for Tyrus Bell in the 1830 living in Madison County, Alabama.  Living with Tyrus Bell is one male under age 5 (believed to be William Bell) and one female aged 15 to 19, which would be Adeline (Cloud) Bell. They have three slaves living with them.  Living next door is Adeline's father, William, and her younger siblings.  It is assumed her mother has passed away prior to 1830 as there is no female of her mother's age range living with William.  There are also two more Bell families living on the other side of William Cloud, Francis Bell and Isham Bell.  It is believed that Francis Bell is the father of Tyrus.



We still find the family in Madison County, Alabama in the 1840 Federal Census.  In this census they have one male under age 5 (believed to be Asa Wilson Bell), one male age 5 to 9 (Joshua Bell) and one male age 10 to 14 (William Bell).  There is one female under age 5 (Susan Bell) and one age 5 to 9 (Sarah Bell).  They now have 16 slaves living with them in 1840.

There is a Tyrus Bell found in the 1845 State Census in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  So it is believed the family moved to Noxubee County before 1845.  The family is found in the 1850 Federal Census living in Noxubee County, Mississippi.

Adeline's husband, Tyrus, passes away in 1853 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  He leaves Adeline as the executor of his Will.

We find Adeline living with six of her children in the 1860 Federal Census in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  In the 1870 Federal Census Adeline is living with her son, Asa Wilson Bell, and his second wife Epsa.  Still residing with Adeline is the oldest daughter, Sarah.  It should be noted that Sarah was noted as a lunatic in her Grandfather Bell's Will as well as her lunacy was proclaimed by her brother, Joshua, when he filed a petition to gain control of her money in Noxubee County.

Adeline and Sarah are found in the 1880 Federal Census, this time living with her daughter, Susan, and Susan's husband, Willis Wilkins.  They are still in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  This is the last record we find for Adeline.  It is assumed that Adeline passed away sometime after 1880 but before the next Federal Census of 1900.

Adeline Amelia Cloud and Tyrus Bell had the following children:

1. William Bell - born about 1829 in Madison County, Alabama.  Death unknown.  Believed to have married Mary Elizabeth Turner.
2. Sarah Bell - born about 1834 in Madison County, Alabama.  Death unknown.
3. Joshua Bell - born 16 Aug 1835 in Madison County, Alabama. Died 7 Jul 1897 in Erath County, Texas.  Married Nancy Jane Wilkins.
4. Susan Bell - born about 1838 in Madison County, Alabama.  Died after 1880, most likely in Texas.  Married Willis Richard Wilkins.
5. Asa Wilson Bell - born Apr 1839 in Madison County, Alabama.  Died about 1900 in Texas.  Married (first) Julia Richardson.  Married (second) Epsa McGee.
6. Dudley Bell - born 26 Mar 1841 in Madison County, Alabama.  Died 2 Dec 1901 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  Married Letitia Levonia Featherston.
7. Madison Bell - born about 1844 in Madison County, Alabama.  Death unknown.
8. Mary E Bell - born about 1846 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  Died about 1860 in Mississippi.
9. John Hardy Bell - born about 1848 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  Death unknown.
10. Tyrus C Bell - born Jan 1852 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  Died after 1910 and before 1920 in Tom Green County, Texas.  Married Fannie Doss.

I have not been able to find when Adeline actually died or where she is buried.

William Cloud - 1775 - 1846

William Cloud is my 4th Great Grandfather - twice!!  I'm descended from two of William Cloud's sons - both James Madison Cloud and Durgan Cloud.  There are more than twenty William Cloud's in my family tree!!  Holy Cow - apparently William Cloud was a popular name!

There is a lot of information written about William Cloud.  There are a few interesting facts about William.  First was that the town of Clouds Town, Madison County, Alabama was named for William Cloud.  He was one of the first settler's to this area in the 1820's - before the land was open for settlement.  Another interesting fact is that his last Will and Testament was settled in Alabama more than 40 years after his death!!

William Cloud's father is known to be Daniel Cloud.  It is not known who William Cloud's mother was.  We only know his father's name because William was mentioned in the last Will of his grandfather (so that would be my 6th Great Grandfather) William Cloud.  In that Will dated March 14th 1810 it stated "I give my grandson, William Cloud, son of Daniel, all my lands laying on the southside of Thorntree Creek, of which he is to possess at the death of my wife.".  The location of the land mentioned is in South Carolina, Fairfield County.  There is another blog site that covers this William Cloud and another line of descent.  Click here to view it.

It is presumed that William Cloud was born in 1775 in Fairfield County, South Carolina.  It is also assumed he came from a long line of Quaker's that settled in Pennsylvania in the 1600's. 

There are William Cloud's found in the Federal Census records in 1800, 1810 and 1820 in Fairfield County, South Carolina.  It is assumed that these records are for this William Cloud.

William Cloud was the first merchant in Cloud Town, Madison County, Alabama.  This town was later named Vienna and after the Civil War as New Hope.  It is believed that William and his family came to this area around 1827. 

William owned over 500 acres of farming land adjacent to the Tennessee River, between the mouths of the Flint and Paint Rock rivers.  This area is currently known as Clouds Cove.  There is also a mountain nearby called Cloud Mountain and a cemetery in the area named Cloud as well.  We can assume William was the origin of these names as well.

William Cloud married a Sarah around 1812 in South Carolina.  Sarah's surname is not known.

William can be found the 1830 Federal Census in Range 5, Madison County, Alabama.  Living with William is 1 male under the age of 5, 2 males age 10 to 14 (believed to be John E Cloud and Durgan M Cloud), 1 male age 15 to 19 (believed to be James Madison Cloud), 1 male age 50 to 59 (William), 1 female age 5 to 9 (believed to be Elizabeth Ann Cloud) and 12 slaves.  His wife Sarah must have passed away before 1830.  It is unknown whom the young male was but we can assume it was another son of William and Sarah.  Living next door is Tyrus Bell.  Tyrus is the husband of William's oldest daughter, Adeline Cloud.

The children of William and Sarah are:

1. Adeline Amelia Cloud - born about 1812 in Fairfield County, South Carolina, dies about 1880 in Noxubee County, Mississippi.  Marries Tyrus Bell.
2. John E Cloud - born about 1814 in Fairfield County, South Carolina, dies 1865 in Nashville, Tennessee.  Marries Sarah, last name unknown.
3. Durgan Cloud - born about 1815 in Fairfield County, South Carolina, dies 2 Oct 1879 in Bloomfied, Madison County, Alabama.  Marries Frances Ann Ashburn.
4. James Madison Cloud - born about 1818 in Fairfield County, South Carolina, dies 19 Dec 1862 in Madison County, Alabama.  Marries 1st Louisa Marie Mann.  Marries 2nd Mary C Hammons.
5. Elizabeth Ann Cloud - born about 1825 in South Carolina, dies 1853 in Clouds Cove, Madison County, Alabama.  Marries Simon Turner.

William Cloud dies 4 Sep 1846 in Nashville, Davidson County, Tennessee.  His Will went into probate in both Tennessee and Alabama.  The Alabama Will remained in probate until 1888 when the property was finally sold and proceeds were given to his grandchildren.  The Will is below.

Last Will and Testament:

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, William Cloud of Tennessee,
Davidson County, and late of Alabama, Madison County, knowing that all
men have to die,
and being of sound mind and memory, do make and publish this my last will
and testament,
revoking all other wills heretofore made by me.

In the first place I recommend my soul to God that gave it to me; and in the second place I wish to be decently buried and my funeral expenses paid, and in the third place I do appoint John B. Bosley, now of Mississippi, who resides above Natchez formerly of Davidson County and State of Tennessee my lawful Executor, and of whom I require no security.
ITEM THE FIRST. I do will and bequeath to John B. Bosley in trust for the benefit of Siller and her fore children; say, Narsey, Rufus, Aconey and William Francis and three others; say Nelson, Albert and David, The following slaves, namely Becky and her son, Ephraim, which slaves I am now possessed of, and I do trust and request my Executor in case their free papers is not sufficient to procure their freedom by removing them to a free state or otherwise.
ITEM THE SECOND. It is my wish that James M. Cloud have Mary Chains daughter for
living with, and taking care of me and managing my business for me till my death.
ITEM THE THIRD. I will and bequeath to Tyrus Bell, and my daughter Adeline his wife,
ITEM THE FOURTH. It is my will that all the property I possess, at my death that is not disposed of in this will, nor be disposed of by me before my death, that is in the State of
Tennessee remain therein for one year after my death, to be all together, in the care and
possession of my Executor, for the above named year, for which I have a particular reason,
best known to myself, and which will be made known at the expiration of the year above named. ITEM THE FIFTH. It is my will that all my property real and personal that I now own, or may be possessed of in the State of Alabama, Madison County, remain unsold for three years, unless my Executor can sell it for Ten Thousand Dollars, at one, two or three installment with good notes and securities, and a lien on the same till paid, and it is my wish that, if it is not sold till the expiration of the above named three years, that my heirs, say John E. Cloud, James M. Cloud, Durgan M. Cloud and Elizabeth Turner, live on my land until sold, or have the benefit of the same, and when sold it is my wish that John E. Cloud have Five dollars paid him, James M. Cloud have Five Dollars paid him, and Durgan M. Cloud have Five Dollars paid him, and Elizabeth Ann Turner have Five dollars paid her, and the balance of all my property whatever kind, I may have in the State of Alabama at my death I leave it to the children of John E. Cloud, James M. Cloud, Durgan M. Cloud and Elizabeth Ann Turner, that is not disposed of by me in this will, nor otherwise before my death, and when the land is sold and the money collected, I wish it put out at interest, having the same safely secured by a lean on Real Estate, that is clear of any encumbrance, for the use and benefit of the above named children, and to pay all expenses in carrying out my will, that may occur in any way whatever; and it is my will that the head of each family have Fifty Dollars, paid them yearly, for the support of their family, out of the money I leave their children, say John E. Cloud, Fifty Dollars, James M. Cloud, Fifty Dollars, Durgin M. Cloud, Fifty Dollars and Elizabeth Ann Turner, Fifty Dollars, till the half of the whole is spent, and the balance is to be safely secured for their children till they become of age, to
choose Guardians for themselves.
ITEM THE SIXTH. It is my will that old Becky live with any of my heirs that she may wish and not to be ruled by any of them, nor to be taken into the Division of my property, and should any of my heirs attempt to break my will, it is my will that they who may attempt it,
be cut off with Five dollars, alone, but I hope for the better.
In Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 27th day April 1846.

(Signed) WILLIAM CLOUD
(SEAL)
Test:
Josiah W. Stout
I. H. M. Hall
W. H. Bedford